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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 24, 2008 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Do you also neglect the classics?

During the last week I have listened to 5-8-77 because a matrix arrived here, 11-11-73 because of the Winterland '73 box and 2-26-77 because of a betty board that also recently arrived here. I realized that I love all of these shows and simply don't listen to them enough. Why not? Is it passe to listen to a widely listened to and loved show? Is it because its fun finding new little gems that you haven't heard before? Why do you need an occasion to listen to a classic? Sadly in the case of the barton matrix, I have actually had that one on the hard drive for a few months but never bothered to listen until SDH posted that it was here last week.

I think I am going to throw classic shows into my regular rotation a little more often. After all they are classics for a reason. Next on my list - A new matrix of 6-10-73. I think Monte has written a few lines on this one ;-)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-02-26.sbd.cantor.deibert.83283.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-08.mtx.dan.29511.flac16


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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 24, 2008 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

They are only "classics" if I like them.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 24, 2008 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

Thanks for the clarification. I obviously need to reconsider my criteria for a classic and will be checking in with you regularly.

Actually the one classic I do listen to regularly is one of yours, 10/12/68. Its a bit shorter than other classics on my list and i can pretty much get through the first set on my commute home. Sometimes I need that to get through that commute too.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 24, 2008 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

The shorter the classic the better...ahem, except when it comes to my lady friends...

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Poster: phidelio Date: Mar 25, 2008 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

I know what you're saying. I think it's important not to buy into the hype of what other people say are the greatest shows and all, making up your own mind about these things is what's most important, but I still find myself looking for new shows that I haven't heard more often than I listen to "old favorites."

There are many "classic" shows I love like Veneta and Cornell, but I don't actually listen to them that often. Even the shows that are personal favorites of mine such as 11-24-78 are not shows that I find myself listening to on a regular basis. Instead, I'm always looking for new stuff that is gonna surprise me. On the other hand, one of my friends listens to shows like Cornell and Swing Auditorium almost constantly and rarely ever ventures into unexplored territory.

So, what's better? Finding a show you love and listening to it 50 times, or finding 25 shows that you really like and listening to them 2 times each?

Personally I prefer the second method because I think it's truer to the "live" spirit of the Grateful Dead. If you are so focused on one show, then you are gonna take the rest of the shows for granted. And when you see Phil/Ratdog live, you might find yourself thinking... "Am I gonna get lucky and witness a Cornell? Will I be able to listen to this over and over??" With these kind of expectations, you are gonna be dissapointed every time. Even the people who were at Cornell say that they didn't realize it was gonna end up as such a massively famous thing. After all, there could be shows just as good as Cornell that people just haven't discovered or aren't as popular.

Now that I've thought about it, it seems much more important to listen to shows that are personally meaningful for you rather than just listening to what OTHER PEOPLE say is good. But at the same time, is it inauthentic to rarely listen to your own "favorites"?

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 25, 2008 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

i'm like, well if i die tomorrow, i only listened to xx number of dead shows. yeah, i'm keeping score.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Mar 24, 2008 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

why?

is there a quiz?


(here, i release you -- there are no rules, you are not compelled by law, dogma or tyranny.)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 24, 2008 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

Yes the consequences of a wrong answer are grave.

Actually I was just curious if others were doing the same thing i was doing and if so why.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 24, 2008 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

everyone knows the classics, i want to discover the unchartered waters, new shows. that's where i am right now. no bias, no recommendations , just pop it in the player, and see what is there. nothing post brent, though. i'm not ready for that yet.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 24, 2008 9:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

Got a serious answer for you now...in light of TB's comments, I decided to quickly backup SHNs of my absolutely couldn't live without em shows given I could only select a few from each yr to do it quickly:

1-20, 10-12, 10-13, 12-7 & 12-29 1968
2-21, 2-22, 4-5, 4-21 & 1969
1-2, 6-7, 9-19 & 9-20 1970
2-18, 7-2, 8-6 & 11-7 1971

For now.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 25, 2008 3:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

There seems to have been too many horror stories around here lately. I have all of my .mp3 backed up on an external drive (and in the case of 65-69 also on DVD) but can't do that with the lossless. I have them on the external and now making copies onto DVD both in original files as TB mentioned as well as after I have expanded them into audio files and labeled the tracks or added other info. A stack of DVDs is not that expensive.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

Oh yeah--I hope you're using the right DVDs!

Talk about paranoia...so what this means is I have all my shows on an ext HD, on DVD, two different sets of CDs ("collection" vs "car, portable, etc.") and NOW the really important shows on a second HD...When will it end? Suppose I have to put a set in a safe deposit box at the bank.

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-03-25 15:04:08

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

Thankfully i am using the right DVDs (big sigh of relief!!) and my wife has the car with the CD player so I don't keep many audio versions on CD. Hard to slip a disc of 1-20-68 in between the never-ending loop of High School Musical and Shrek soundtracks!!

I use the iPod with an iTrip for my listening pleasures while driving. Luckily I found an open station here so the sound is pretty good.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Mar 24, 2008 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

For one reason or another I have never been that big a'fan of the Winterland 73's or 73 in general, but 2/9/73 is oddly a favorite.

I agree that while there are some shows that are defacto classics - it all depends on your own ears.

Classics in heavy rotation round these parts:
2/24/74
6/18/74
2/28/69
2/26/77
9/3/77
10/2/77
7/19/89 - IMO the best show of the 80's from beginning to end
3/29/90
7/19/90

Thanks for pointing out these newly added favs.
9/19/91

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Poster: phidelio Date: Mar 25, 2008 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

I know what you're saying. I think it's important not to buy into the hype of what other people say are the greatest shows and all, making up your own mind about these things is what's most important, but I still find myself looking for new shows that I haven't heard more often than I listen to "old favorites."

There are many "classic" shows I love like Veneta and Cornell, but I don't actually listen to them that often. Even the shows that are personal favorites of mine such as 11-24-78 are not shows that I find myself listening to on a regular basis. Instead, I'm always looking for new stuff that is gonna surprise me. On the other hand, one of my friends listens to shows like Cornell and Swing Auditorium almost constantly and rarely ever ventures into unexplored territory.

So, what's better? Finding a show you love and listening to it 50 times, or finding 25 shows that you really like and listening to them 2 times each?

Personally I prefer the second method because I think it's truer to the "live" spirit of the Grateful Dead. If you are so focused on one show, then you are gonna take the rest of the shows for granted. And when you see Phil/Ratdog live, you might find yourself thinking... "Am I gonna get lucky and witness a Cornell? Will I be able to listen to this over and over??" With these kind of expectations, you are gonna be dissapointed every time. Even the people who were at Cornell say that they didn't realize it was gonna end up as such a massively famous thing. After all, there could be shows just as good as Cornell that people just haven't discovered or aren't as popular.

Now that I've thought about it, it seems much more important to listen to shows that are personally meaningful for you rather than just listening to what OTHER PEOPLE say is good. But at the same time, is it inauthentic to rarely listen to your own "favorites"?

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Poster: phidelio Date: Mar 25, 2008 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do you also neglect the classics?

I know what you're saying. I think it's important not to buy into the hype of what other people say are the greatest shows and all, making up your own mind about these things is what's most important, but I still find myself looking for new shows that I haven't heard more often than I listen to "old favorites."

There are many "classic" shows I love like Veneta and Cornell, but I don't actually listen to them that often. Even the shows that are personal favorites of mine such as 11-24-78 are not shows that I find myself listening to on a regular basis. Instead, I'm always looking for new stuff that is gonna surprise me. On the other hand, one of my friends listens to shows like Cornell and Swing Auditorium almost constantly and rarely ever ventures into unexplored territory.

So, what's better? Finding a show you love and listening to it 50 times, or finding 25 shows that you really like and listening to them 2 times each?

Personally I prefer the second method because I think it's truer to the "live" spirit of the Grateful Dead. If you are so focused on one show, then you are gonna take the rest of the shows for granted. And when you see Phil/Ratdog live, you might find yourself thinking... "Am I gonna get lucky and witness a Cornell? Will I be able to listen to this over and over??" With these kind of expectations, you are gonna be dissapointed every time. Even the people who were at Cornell say that they didn't realize it was gonna end up as such a massively famous thing. After all, there could be shows just as good as Cornell that people just haven't discovered or aren't as popular.

Now that I've thought about it, it seems much more important to listen to shows that are personally meaningful for you rather than just listening to what OTHER PEOPLE say is good. But at the same time, is it inauthentic to rarely listen to your own "favorites"?